[Released] Terminator 2 CDS mix

[izzybell]

I have a capture of it but never formally compared it, considering it's the same bitrate as the 97 DVD I doubt it sounds much better.

As for what Kado said, The JP DVD wasn't THX Mastered so that's probably why the mastering is a little bit different. It's still the same mix and much higher quality than the 97 DVD on technical level (MUCH better high frequency detail).

[tanch28]

I have a capture of it but never formally compared it, considering it's the same bitrate as the 97 DVD I doubt it sounds much better.

As for what Kado said, The JP DVD wasn't THX Mastered so that's probably why the mastering is a little bit different. It's still the same mix and much higher quality than the 97 DVD on technical level (MUCH better high frequency detail).

It was actually THX Mastered. Has the THX intro and all.

[Kado_2020]

Guys, the laserdisc 5.1 audio does not include a theatrical (CDS) mix, it is a simple near field mixed.

Terminator 2 Laserdisc AC3 center channel | Near field mix

Integrated LUFS: -24.5 dB
LRA: 21.2dB
Highest peak level: -4.9 dBFS


Terminator 2 Live/Artisan DVD AC3 center channel | Original theatrical (CDS) mix

Integrated LUFS: -21 dB
LRA: 22.8dB
Highest peak level: -0.1 dBFS

[Kado_2020]

The same goes for other AC3 5.1 laserdisc film mixes, which have serious limitations on their dynamic range and gain levels, i analyzed most of them.

[dvdmike]

Guys, the laserdisc 5.1 audio does not include a theatrical (CDS) mix, it is a simple near field mixed.

Terminator 2 Laserdisc AC3 center channel | Near field mix

Integrated LUFS: -24.5 dB
LRA: 21.2dB
Highest peak level: -4.9 dBFS


Terminator 2 Live/Artisan DVD AC3 center channel | Original theatrical (CDS) mix

Integrated LUFS: -21 dB
LRA: 22.8dB
Highest peak level: -0.1 dBFS

It's the first remix, always was and is documented on the liner notes

[Kado_2020]

Guys, the laserdisc 5.1 audio does not include a theatrical (CDS) mix, it is a simple near field mixed.

Terminator 2 Laserdisc AC3 center channel | Near field mix

Integrated LUFS: -24.5 dB
LRA: 21.2dB
Highest peak level: -4.9 dBFS


Terminator 2 Live/Artisan DVD AC3 center channel | Original theatrical (CDS) mix

Integrated LUFS: -21 dB
LRA: 22.8dB
Highest peak level: -0.1 dBFS

It's the first remix, always was and is documented on the liner notes

No man, you are mistaken. The Live version contains the original theatrical mix.

The reason for this is as follows

The integrated LUFS value is -21 dB, which means it is 35% more effective in gain separation and natural punch.

The LRA value is 22.8 dB, which means it has a 16% wider dynamic range and the center channel of LD are 16% more compressed.

The peak level is 0.1 dBFS; this is the maximum limit achievable without clipping.

Furthermore, regardless of which authentic theatrical master you examine, the peak levels in the recording will always be close to 0 dBFS. If this value exceeds -1.5 dB (which is already high), it is not the genuine original recording. Moreover, the issue is not limited to this; the LD's overall audio profile sounds somewhat little more muffled compared to the Live edition, and—much like the mixes found on Blu-ray discs—there are limitations regarding the extension of sonic details.

[FoLLgoTT]

I analyzed the AC-3 track of the Laserdisc (LD68952-2DD) and the DTS track of the japanese DVD with my new tool AnalyzeDynamicRange and Audacity. The LFE of the jap DVD is defect. It contains only the low-pass-filtered signal of the front channels.
The LD on the other side has a LFE track with dedicated and isolated effects. Its content looks similar to that of the new mix (BD/UHD BD). So I assume that the Laserdisc is correct.

The live DVD seems to be defective, too, as stated in this thread. Can someone check the HD DVD?

The difference can be easily detected by looking at the waveform. The defective LFE has low amplitude, but overall more activity which correlates with the front channels. The correct LFE has high amplitude, but less activity (more isolated effects). Additionally the spectrum of the defective LFE has a higher upper frequency (about 100 Hz vs. 50 Hz).

[Beber]

That's probably why our ex-member Chewie chose to swap the LFE and used the one from the Skynet Edition into his sync of the Japanese DTS rendition of the CDS mix.

[cetya]

@FoLLgoTT I can provide HD DVD track if needed.

[FoLLgoTT]

Thank you for providing the HD DVD track. It differs slightly to the Japanese DVD. The surrounds and LFE are louder and the high pass is a bit deeper. But the LFE has the same weird content. So it may be the same source.