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(7 hours ago)little-endian Wrote: Well, "overly green" I'd count as a euphemism as it looks completely unnatural to me. What's your verdict on the grain preservation? Again, to me the UHD BD looks slightly filtered which however could also be due to the lack of sharpening.
To me it looks fine. It looks naturally defined, with no sharpening as it should be and as you'd expect for a 4K remaster done properly, and grain looks healthy. Look at Helen Hunt's face and hair, looks good to me: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=291...0&i=2&go=1
The only thing that bothers me is the now green moments that were never there, although they could have, as Jan DeBont is a senior DP that knew every tricks in production and in post production to do it if he wanted to since 1995-1996, that are now inconsistent and that don't take the dialogue into account.
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(7 hours ago)Beber Wrote: Apart from the overly green moments, the grading is fine and has been testified to represent quite faithfully what the prints looked like, and I haven't seen any excess of DNR, not even on the lesser Warner UHD. I agree, the green is the bad bit here and no cinema mix
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Well, of course, the cinema mix, too. But we already have that covered on the side to fix its absence. But videowise, the green, and maybe the contrast in some moments, is all that needs to be fixed.
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I know we can fix the sound mix stuff, but it would be easier just to have it on the discs rather than the internet obsession with wanting Dolby vision over anything else
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True, but even if it were on the disc, it would have been processed, filtered, etc. and we would have searched for the true original replacement anyway.
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(7 hours ago)dvdmike Wrote: (Yesterday, 01:34 AM)little-endian Wrote: The UHD BD of Twister is also one of the most retarded color-gradings one can imagine. It's unbelievable which moron signs off all that stuff, but anyway.
Since the UHD BD also looks somewhat scrubbed and DNR-treated compared to the Remastered Blu-ray, I'd rather stick to that and forget that the UHD release ever happened (like Camerons infamous "bad dreams" only to make the same mistake with Terminator Dark Fate himself)
It's sharpened
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x=289...1&i=3&go=1
That is not the Turbine UHD, just the BluRay, so the UHD might have a different mastering.
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(6 hours ago)Beber Wrote: True, but even if it were on the disc, it would have been processed, filtered, etc. and we would have searched for the true original replacement anyway.
And we'd have a hobby element of hunting down audio tracks and syncing less, wouldn't we? But taken that aside, I don't understand - especially given how little space audio tracks take in comparison - why they don't simply always provide the "untempered with" original if they can't already refrain from fiddling around with that one.
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(6 hours ago)Beber Wrote: Look at Helen Hunt's face and hair, looks good to me: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=291...0&i=2&go=1
That screenshot is undeniable one of the best and where the UHD looks pretty decent to me as well.
However, on this shot, I can't get rid of the impression that some DNR was used. The BD is just a lot noisier than the UHD BD.
Also, especially on the left side of her forehead right above the eyebrow, there is a certain waxiness to it for me.
Not that this would prove DNR; maybe they also simply used a better, i.e. less noisy source without artificially removing it. Hence to be taken with a grain of salt.
(6 hours ago)MrBrown Wrote: That is not the Turbine UHD, just the BluRay, so the UHD might have a different mastering.
Here are some screenshots comparing the US UHD BD with the EU one. Not exactly the greatest moments taken for a comparison in my opinion though.
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(2 hours ago)little-endian Wrote: However, on this shot, I can't get rid of the impression that some DNR was used. The BD is just a lot noisier than the UHD BD.
Also, especially on the left side of her forehead right above the eyebrow, there is a certain waxiness to it for me.
Not that this would prove DNR; maybe they also simply used a better, i.e. less noisy source without artificially removing it. Hence to be taken with a grain of salt.
There might have been some DNR used here, maybe true. But not to the extent I would disregard the transfer. Maybe they processed that moment a bit differently because of the rain. However the Blu-ray it's compared to is sharpened with edge enhancement which exagerates the grain plus noise. The UHD doesn't seem to have noise, just pure grain. To me the remaster remains the better transfer, no doubt. The excessive green moments just need to be addressed, hence this idea of a project I have on my list to have a more proper and historically accurate copy of this film.
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(2 hours ago)little-endian Wrote: (6 hours ago)MrBrown Wrote: That is not the Turbine UHD, just the BluRay, so the UHD might have a different mastering.
Here are some screenshots comparing the US UHD BD with the EU one. Not exactly the greatest moments taken for a comparison in my opinion though.
Turbines UHD has different audio tracks than Universals EU, they might have a different video track, also.
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